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Created Date: March 21,2012
Created By: hamster
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I have searched the web from top to bottom and cannot find any information specific to my problem, for the past couple of days, I have been trying everything to no avail. I have a test rack with a Direct Logic 405 PLC and one 4 Ch. Analog output card (405-4DAC) in the first slot. I have the card jumpered for 0-5 volts out, as per the manual. No matter how I program the card I cannot get a voltage out. I may have a bad card, jumpers wrong, program wrong, too many variables. What I need is a simple ladder diagram that just throws a number at the card, something around mid-scale, so I can eliminate that as the problem, like a known working ladder diagram. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
Created Date: March 21,2012
Created by: Cap
What is the 405 CPU number?.. 430,440,450???
What is in each slot?.. that is Important..
The Outputs to this card, are Mapped in the Y Output Space, so the Outputs are adressed as Y outputs..
I'm running a Cobbled 405 System on a Prototype Test System, with analog I/O cards.. so if you get the Info, we can figure it out..
Cap
Created Date: March 22,2012
Created by: hamster
It's a 440 cpu, the analog output (405-4dac) 4 channel card is in the first slot, the rest are empty, this is a test system. I have the jumpers set for 0 to +5 volts out on all channels.
Thanks
Created Date: March 22,2012
Created by: bcarlton
Please be very specific about your analog card. The exact number you gave is not listed. The numbers are 'F4-xxxxxx '. Please check.
The manual - choose the correct chapter based on the exact number - have example programs and setup instructions.
Created Date: March 22,2012
Created by: hamster
That is the number on the card I have, it looks just like the F4–04DA in the manual. A sticker on the side identifies it as made by 'Facts '. Chapter 12 in the manual. What would the ladder diagram look like to write some analog value (say 2048) to channel 1?
Created Date: March 22,2012
Created by: bcarlton
The Facts cross-reference shows a similar part number - 405-4DAC-2 - as supplied by them for the systems as labeled by Simatic-TI. But they don't show it as a cross to the current part number. You may want to contact them for assurance ( http://www.facts-eng.com/ ).
Created Date: March 22,2012
Created by: hamster
Yes, that is the same info I found on this site, the cards seem to be identical. I have tried the programing examples with no luck. If someone would give a basic ladder diagram to activate the first channel on the card, I could sort it out.
Created Date: March 22,2012
Created by: Do-more PE
The 405-4DAC is obsolete and not relevant to any current card programming wise. It's old enough that I have never seen one much less programmed one.
I would imagine someone here has the printed manual for it, but I don't know who it would be offhand.
Created Date: March 23,2012
Created by: MacS
In the old part numbering system there was a 405-4DAC-1 (discontinued in the early 1990s) and a 405-4DAC-2. Both of these part numbers had '405-4DAC ' silkscreend on the front bezel. You need to look at the part number printed on the label on the side of the module for positive identification.
Can you verify the part number by removing the module from the base and looking at the part number printed on the label on the side of the module?
Part number F4-04DA was a direct replacement for the 405-4DAC-2 but the F4-04DA part number was obsoleted in 2004 and replaced by the F4-04DA-1 (4-20mA only) and the F4-04DA-2 (0-5, 0-10, +/-5, and +/10VDC).
The F4-04DA-1 is direct replacement (wiring and programming the same) for the 405-4DAC-2 if all channels used 4-20mA. See this chapter for F4-04DA(405-4DAC-2) compatibility mode configuration:
http://www.automationdirect.com/static/manuals/d4anlg/ch13.pdf
The F4-04DA-2 is direct replacement (wiring and programming the same) for the 405-4DAC-2 if all channels used voltage ranges. See this chapter for F4-04DA(405-4DAC-2) compatibility mode configuration:
http://www.automationdirect.com/static/manuals/d4anlg/ch14.pdf
If your 405-4DAC-2 (F4-04DA) application mixed voltage and current then you would need to pick the F4-04DA-1 or 2 depending on which signal type is used the most and add a signal conditioner (such as FC-33 http://web2.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Process_Controls/Signal_Conditioners/FC-33 ) for the other channels.
Created Date: March 26,2012
Created by: hamster
Thanks to all for the information, I am unsure about how to program the darn thing. I am using DirectSoft5 version 5.3, I could not attach a picture of the ladder diagram, but I have tried every example from the manual and across the web with no luck. The card description and module jumpers all match the card in the link below. From a hardware standpoint, I have the jumpers set for voltage out and the 24 volts and ground are connected from teh power source to the appropriate terminals on the terminal strip. Still I get no output, any troubleshooting ideas would be appreciated.
http://www.automationdirect.com/static/manuals/d4anlg/ch12.pdf
Created Date: March 26,2012
Created by: MacS
The examples in the manual chapter you reference are written based on a F4-04DA that starts at output reference Y20. If your module is the first output module in the base it will start at Y0.
The 440/450 example on page 12-14 would have to be changed to this:
STR SP1
LD V3001
BIN
OUTF Y0 K12
OUT Y15
OUT Y16
OUT Y17