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Created Date: April 04,2011
Created By: scott.lawrence
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Hi...have an old GE Fanuc IC610 CPU 104A Series 1 controller that is in an existing machine that is flaking out. Found a working copy (a miracle in itself) of the LogicMaster 1 software in the former technician's file cabinet, but can't get it on my Win7 laptop, even in Virtual PC XP Win95 compatability mode. Dosbox doesn't work either, so I tried setting up a Virtual PC with DOS & installing LogicMaster to no avail. I did, however, record the sound file to my PC in WMA format....still unsure how this can be helpful, but.... Got the 305HP from AD & the 305 RS232 Data Com Unit. Found a tape recorder (miracle #2) & using the 305HP, recorded the program. However, when I tried to compare the program, even after adjusting the tone/vol, the 305HP doesn't find the head mark to validate the program. Never shows an eroor, just the shift LED goes blank, then sits idle.... Considering my personality, I tried to load the program into a DL 330 CPU anyway using the 305 & the RS232 Data Com. Found an older copy of DirectSoft 32 (I'm using DS5), again in tech's cabinet. Installed this in WinXP Virtual PC & set-up the links, etc. for comms. Plugged into the Data Com module, and tried going online with the processor, and got an "Enter Password " prompt from the controller. Since my forehead is now swollen and my desk is dented, I am at a loss for perceptive insight to a solution as to getting the program into RLL software. Any help would be greatly appreciated as we have already purchased the two units mentioned already, and a DL205 with a nice, new DL 250-1 to replace this archaic controller.
Created Date: April 04,2011
Created by: KPrice
scott.lawrence, I 've never worked with that older PLC, but do you have a printed copy of the ladder logic (miracle #3)? that would enable you to enter the ladder logic into the new DL205? If the CPU is password-protected and you don't have the password (miracle #4), then you could not gain access to the program. It sounds like a call to tech support would be helpful.
Created Date: April 04,2011
Created by: Steve Bailey
Have you looked through the former tech's files for a copy of the program? The Logicmaster file of the ladder logic will have a .LAD suffix. You might also find files with a .NAM (variable descriptions) and .EXP (rung comments) suffix. If you can find the .LAD file you can import it into DirectSoft.
Failing that, maybe you can find an older computer with WIN98 or earlier that you might be able to install L1F on. I keep an old DOS machine with a 386 processor just for situations like that when I need to be on the leading edge of obsolete technology.
The password is a four digit number with 0000 being no password. The original programmer probably used something he'd be able to remember easily. If the machine came from an OEM, they tend to use passwords that their field service techs will be able to remember like their telephone number (forward or backwards) or the job number of that particular machine.
Created Date: April 04,2011
Created by: scott.lawrence
on a printed copy of the program, unfortunately, could not find this crucial piece of information...otherwise, I wouldn't have posted this :(
on a side note, I did download Virtual PC 2007, & will try installing this on an older laptop here to see if the DOS version will allow me to install LogicMaster...other that that, any more suggestions??? (miracle 4?)
Created Date: April 04,2011
Created by: Steve Bailey
OK, I got curious and dragged out my old Series One (CPU105). You don't actually need to know the password. The sequence to set a new password doesn't require you to enter the existing password.
The sequence to set a password is CLR, SHF, 9876, DEL, SHF XXXX ENT NXT. XXXX is the password. If XXXX = 0000 then no password is required to view the program.
I bring this up because the CPU104 only has 1.7K memory, so using the handheld to manually read and transcribe the program by hand is not out of the question.
Created Date: April 04,2011
Created by: scott.lawrence
thanks, Steve...this may be the way I end up having to go. So far, still waiting for the alternate laptop from IT to try the DOS VPC... I'll keep you guys posted on progress.
On a side note, is the password the reason I can't 'check ' the program with the 305HP once I 've taped it? I can't understand why the 104A & 305HP won't verify the program copied correctly.
Created Date: April 04,2011
Created by: Steve Bailey
I don't know for sure if the password has any effect on the verify function. I do know that the verify function was always kind of flaky. There were lots of times when it indicated problems when there were none. The good news is that in my experience it tended to the conservative side in that it falsly indicated problems rather than falsely indicating OK.
Created Date: April 06,2011
Created by: scott.lawrence
Success!!
thanks, Steve, I believe the password reset did the trick! I was able to load the taped program into a DL330 processor & through the Data Com unit was able to pull the program with DirectSoft32. Only had 5 instructions that it didn't translate, but that's nothing, since the entire file is only 79 rungs.
Thanks for the info & the help guys, keep up the good work!
Created Date: April 06,2011
Created by: Steve Bailey
Glad to hear you worked it out and thanks for following up to report your success.
Created Date: April 04,2011
Created by: scott.lawrence
Hi...have an old GE Fanuc IC610 CPU 104A Series 1 controller that is in an existing machine that is flaking out. Found a working copy (a miracle in itself) of the LogicMaster 1 software in the former technician's file cabinet, but can't get it on my Win7 laptop, even in Virtual PC XP Win95 compatability mode. Dosbox doesn't work either, so I tried setting up a Virtual PC with DOS & installing LogicMaster to no avail. I did, however, record the sound file to my PC in WMA format....still unsure how this can be helpful, but....
Got the 305HP from AD & the 305 RS232 Data Com Unit. Found a tape recorder (miracle #2) & using the 305HP, recorded the program. However, when I tried to compare the program, even after adjusting the tone/vol, the 305HP doesn't find the head mark to validate the program. Never shows an eroor, just the shift LED goes blank, then sits idle....
Considering my personality, I tried to load the program into a DL 330 CPU anyway using the 305 & the RS232 Data Com. Found an older copy of DirectSoft 32 (I'm using DS5), again in tech's cabinet. Installed this in WinXP Virtual PC & set-up the links, etc. for comms. Plugged into the Data Com module, and tried going online with the processor, and got an "Enter Password " prompt from the controller.
Since my forehead is now swollen and my desk is dented, I am at a loss for perceptive insight to a solution as to getting the program into RLL software. Any help would be greatly appreciated as we have already purchased the two units mentioned already, and a DL205 with a nice, new DL 250-1 to replace this archaic controller.